So, a little idle poking around on tumblr reveals that this crazy protectiveness of this actress seems to come from a really weird attachment to the half-assed character she will be playing.
And by half-assed I mean that this Jeyne seems to be some weird semi made-up character with a ridiculously inserted foreign background. Another case, I suspect, of lets change a character because of the actor/actress we got.
Way to go respecting the source material. And if it is a case of “lets make the best of an awkward situation” in terms of cutting characters and compressing/changing plot, then I still don’t see anything cool about it. Its a necessary evil, nothing more.
linda did you read the book
jeyne’s family is foreign in the book, linda
because connor inspired me
this remains non-binding and will change probably when i reread
fav lists need to be longer tbh
- cersei lannister
- sansa stark
- asha greyjoy
- varys the spider
- theon greyjoy
- bran stark (in adwd)
- olenna tyrell
- margaery tyrell?
- jaime lannister
- rickon stark after he starts eating people because it seems pretty rational from the perspective of a feral child
- wyman manderly
- rhaegar and aenys frey
- this is an approximation of the order of favoritude i reserve the right to shuffle them around
- i may mostly be stanning margaery atm because natalie dormer’s face
- i am sure i am gonna have a fuckton of martell feelings when i reread but i just don’t have a lot of strong ones right now? obara and arianne are my favs tho
- jaime is objectively worse than most of the other people but i have an intense affection for his hilarious povs so fuck it
randyll tarly exists
sibell spicer exists
Cersei’s idea of discipline is to have another child be whipped when her son does something wrong. Like that would really work with a kid like Joffrey.
She is a bad parent because she is an enabler, much like Roose is to Ramsay.
And no one is saying those three aren’t bad parents. When people start analyzing characters on their own behavior rather than saying ” compare to x” or ” compared to how other bastards are treated” or ” they didn’t rape and pillage all of humanity so why do people not like them?” then maybe people would take some of the arguments seriously.
Your favorite character is not flawless and people are making some valid criticisms against them. When people think Jon Snow is arrogant and stuck up you won’t see me running to defend him by saying, “well compared to Theon Greyjoy or Loras Tyrell he isn’t so bad”. Why? because it sounds ridiculous.
Why do people feel the need to judge characters by comparing them to others. Why not just judge them by their actions?
ok first of all
cersei is not my favorite character!
she is probably not even top 10
but that aside
telling me not to make comparisons and then comparing cersei to roose bolton is. structurally weird, as an argument.
but my point was more that while cersei is a bad person, she gets attacked for her mothering, rather than for the fact that she had a baby murdered that one time.
cersei does some suspect, evil shit. but if you want to talk about terrible parenting, there are a lot of characters to be talking about first — randyll tarly, sibell spicer, craster, walder frey, and oh hey robert baratheon, cersei’s husband… and people just. don’t.
also lol i am sorry you cannot take an argument seriously if it coaches things in the context of the fictional world these characters inhabit?? because obviously universal objective moral standards across disparate cultures are a thing that exist.
the choice to discuss cersei as a Bad Mother is not a self-contained, meaningless, contextless choice.
it is a choice to discuss a particular female character, one whose sexuality and choices and intellect have been picked apart and reviled by fandom since her creation, and to claim her as objectively bad, rather than to discuss any other character. singling out catelyn or cersei (as fandom so often does) as bad mothers is not a choice that it exists in a vacuum. it is a choice to discuss these often reviled women as poor parents, rather than to discuss any of the other objectively just as poor parents in the series. it is the choice that she is more important to discuss, to castigate, and to blame than any other character within the series, regardless of the appropriateness of that discussion. it is the choice to discuss not just Bad Parents or even The Worst Parent, but why cersei’s parenting is flawed and blameworthy.
fandom’s choice, time and time again, to discuss how terrible of mothers cersei and catelyn are out of the vast body of equally or more terrible parents in the series speaks to a castigation of cersei and catelyn in particular, and it can’t be overlooked that it falls perfectly along misogynistic lines of What A Good Woman Should Be.
this is true of most criticism against them: cersei is evil and horrible and corrupting, catelyn is responsible for the death of everyone. these accusations are leveled against them disproportionately when you consider the number of characters who are equally or more directly responsible for the things they’re blamed for, and — hint — it’s not because they’re legitimately guiltier than the rest of westeros.
no, maybe you can’t compare their inherent moral worth within the text; but 1) you can compare their actual actions and the treatment they receive by fandom, and 2) you certainly can compare fandom’s motivations in dissecting and denouncing female characters with any measure of agency (like cersei and catelyn) to the frequent absence of criticism or analysis of almost every male character in the series.
we have collectively as a society already decided it is okay to like male villains.
-everyone’s favorite part of die hard is hans
-98% of phantom fandom ships phantom/christine
-othello is, essentially, iago’s play
-dracula, hannibal lecter, the joker, hans beckert, patrick batemen, let’s not go crazy here
people make posts and write articles and generally discuss all the time how these men are engaging and the best characters of their canons and darkly sexy and interesting.
and the reason you don’t like cersei lannister— despite being one of the most well-crafted, engaging, fundamental parts of asoiaf— is because she’s a bad person?
the thing about sarahisalright’s asoiaf ~character analysis~ post is that it includes the worst and most horribly misguided, factually inaccurate “opinions” on everyone
like damn could there be a more perfect encapsulation of fandom’s shortcomings as a whole
#fandom is actually the worst #i’m impressed to an extent #like holy fuck she got ERR’THING in there #jaime - tyrion - arya - cat - sansa - even cersei’s endnote - dayum qurl #you win or you die #and in this case #you die
things that are in my gifs folder
tl;dr EVERY NOBLE IN WESTEROS CONTRIBUTED TO THE BEGINNING OF THE WAR, SOME MORESO THAN OTHERS, BUT MANY PEOPLE PLAYED A PART IN IT
SINGLING OUT CATELYN AND SANSA IS MISOGYNISTIC AND GROSS AND YOU SHOULD FEEL TERRIBLE ABOUT YOUR OPINIONS
ah yes the man who throws seven year olds out of windows and endeavors to throw babies out of trebuchets and thinks a silent cersei would be sweet but I’d miss her tongue when we kissed
the man who murders a woman for being a whore and participated in the gang rape of his wife and consistently thinks about violent and horrible ways to murder and kill his sister
essentially decent people
in spite of everything
"Theon Greyjoy had once commented that Hodor did not know much, but no one could doubt that he knew his name."-
A Game of Thrones, p 242
Brought to you by the letters GRRM:
No one frightened her. She was a daughter of the rock, a lion.
You mean people aren’t? Tyrion is one of my favorite characters ever. I think he ranks right up there with Daenerys in terms of suffering they’ve experienced and their incredible strength. If I have a son, I’m naming him Tyrion.
If y’all could see what I’m doing with my face right now.
i just giggled
in the most sinister way
I was made for this, she told herself. […] If Father could only see me now, he would not be so quick to speak of marrying me off again.